Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3

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From: Linus Torvalds
Date: Thursday, May 31, 2007 - 6:37 pm

On Fri, 1 Jun 2007, Tejun Heo wrote:

Well, the concept is neither rare nor arguably all that broken. 

The paper standards floating around in the industry are so much toilet 
paper. The only standard that seems to really matter is what Windows has 
traditionally done. We may not like it, but there it is...

This bites us more when it comes to the real el-cheapo stuff, notably when 
it comes to various USB mass storage things (which have some random 
USB->flash controller cobbled together by a senile llama on crack), and is 
almost unheard of for anythign that is "server-grade", but when it comes 
to no-brand random devices, it really does tend to be the case that the 
only testing they ever had was using Windows.

And hardware is seldom any different from software: if it wasn't tested, 
it probably doesn't work.

So it would be good if somebody knew what the Windows ID/startup sequence 
was/is. I think we figured it out by trial-and-error for the USB mass 
storage stuff. But it tends to boil down to: don't do things that aren't 
absolutely required (for SCSI, it was things like not asking for mode 
pages that weren't absolutely required, because some devices wouldn't 
support it, and would simply lock up if you did so!)

			Linus
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Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Linus Torvalds, (Fri May 25, 8:21 pm)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Jan Engelhardt, (Sat May 26, 12:55 am)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, la deng, (Sat May 26, 10:34 am)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Gregor Jasny, (Sun May 27, 8:01 am)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Jeff Garzik, (Sun May 27, 8:06 am)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Jeff Chua, (Sun May 27, 8:50 am)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Gregor Jasny, (Sun May 27, 9:07 am)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Linus Torvalds, (Sun May 27, 9:24 am)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Gregor Jasny, (Sun May 27, 1:15 pm)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Qi Yong, (Sun May 27, 11:35 pm)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Russell King, (Mon May 28, 2:14 am)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Tejun Heo, (Mon May 28, 2:47 am)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Ben Dooks, (Mon May 28, 3:43 am)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Gregor Jasny, (Mon May 28, 7:07 am)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Bill Davidsen, (Mon May 28, 2:50 pm)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Tejun Heo, (Tue May 29, 2:28 am)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Gregor Jasny, (Tue May 29, 8:19 am)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Linus Torvalds, (Tue May 29, 9:44 am)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Tejun Heo, (Thu May 31, 5:58 pm)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Linus Torvalds, (Thu May 31, 6:37 pm)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Tejun Heo, (Thu May 31, 7:19 pm)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Jeff Garzik, (Fri Jun 1, 9:50 am)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Jun 1, 10:04 am)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Jeff Garzik, (Fri Jun 1, 10:35 am)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Jun 1, 10:59 am)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Dave Jones, (Fri Jun 1, 11:20 am)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Linus Torvalds, (Fri Jun 1, 11:30 am)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Jeff Garzik, (Fri Jun 1, 11:41 am)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Dave Jones, (Fri Jun 1, 11:46 am)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Jeff Garzik, (Fri Jun 1, 11:48 am)
Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Tejun Heo, (Sat Jun 2, 12:50 am)
[PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Jeff Garzik, (Sat Jun 2, 9:11 am)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Gregor Jasny, (Sun Jun 3, 10:46 am)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Tejun Heo, (Wed Jun 6, 1:46 am)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Gregor Jasny, (Wed Jun 6, 11:22 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Tejun Heo, (Thu Jun 7, 12:27 am)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Gregor Jasny, (Thu Jun 7, 1:37 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Linus Torvalds, (Thu Jun 7, 1:56 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Alan Cox, (Thu Jun 7, 3:39 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Jeff Garzik, (Thu Jun 7, 3:47 pm)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Tejun Heo, (Fri Jun 8, 1:02 am)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Alan Cox, (Fri Jun 8, 4:27 am)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Tejun Heo, (Fri Jun 8, 4:32 am)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Alan Cox, (Fri Jun 8, 4:40 am)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Jeff Garzik, (Fri Jun 8, 7:28 am)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Jeff Garzik, (Fri Jun 8, 7:31 am)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Jeff Garzik, (Fri Jun 8, 8:32 am)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Jeff Garzik, (Fri Jun 8, 8:35 am)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Alan Cox, (Fri Jun 8, 8:36 am)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Alan Cox, (Fri Jun 8, 8:38 am)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Alan Cox, (Fri Jun 8, 8:44 am)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Alan Cox, (Fri Jun 8, 8:46 am)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Jeff Garzik, (Fri Jun 8, 8:49 am)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Jeff Garzik, (Fri Jun 8, 8:55 am)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Alan Cox, (Fri Jun 8, 8:59 am)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Linus Torvalds, (Sat Jun 9, 11:12 am)
Re: [PATCH] Re: Linux v2.6.22-rc3, Jeff Garzik, (Sat Jun 9, 12:03 pm)