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Quote: Most Of Us Prefer Not To Visit The US Now

June 26, 2008 - 2:11pm
Submitted by Jeremy on June 26, 2008 - 2:11pm.

"The great majority of OpenBSD developers are from outside the United States, and I would guess that most of us prefer not to visit the US now thanks to the murderous foreign policy, authoritarian domestic surveillance, and invasive border control. You'll find few of us there. Personally I've been refusing invitations to go to, or even transit through the United States for about 6 years."

— Ryan McBride, in a June 26th, 2008 message on the OpenBSD -misc mailing list.

"[...] most of us prefer not

June 27, 2008 - 3:08am
Anonymous (not verified)

"[...] most of us prefer not to visit the US now thanks to the murderous foreign policy, authoritarian domestic surveillance, and invasive border control [...]"

I am an OpenBSD developer and I don't subscribe to this point of view.

"[...] most of us prefer not

June 27, 2008 - 3:19am
Anonymous (not verified)

"[...] most of us prefer not to visit the US now thanks to the murderous foreign policy, authoritarian domestic surveillance, and invasive border control [...]"

I am not an OpenBSD developer but I do subscribe to this point of view

Yep

June 27, 2008 - 6:02am
Anonymous (not verified)

+1

You're not an OpenBSD

June 27, 2008 - 6:05am
Anonymous (not verified)

You're not an OpenBSD developer so your opinion is irrelevant.

Response

June 27, 2008 - 7:14am
Anonymous (not verified)

Why are non-freebsd developers' comments irrelevant?

relevance

June 27, 2008 - 3:07pm
Anonymous (not verified)

I don't think any of this is relevant on this site, including the original quote.

I'll second that.

June 27, 2008 - 4:19pm
Anonymous (not verified)

I'll second that.

I don't think your comment

July 8, 2008 - 2:19pm
Nony Mouse (not verified)

I don't think your comment was relevant to this site.

The opinion of OpenBSD

June 29, 2008 - 11:14am
Anonymous (not verified)

The opinion of OpenBSD developers is luckily irrelevant to the U.S. government.

Imagine what would happen if they would return to a less strict policy. Terrorists
could invade the USA and kill the president.

"Terrorists could invade the

June 29, 2008 - 1:26pm
Anonymous (not verified)

"Terrorists could invade the USA and kill the president."
As long as they do it before November, I'm not so sure that it's a bad thing...

And make a martyr out of

June 30, 2008 - 12:16am
Anonymous (not verified)

And make a martyr out of him? With people feeling they have to say good things about him now? No thanks.

Hmmm, very good point, I'll

June 30, 2008 - 3:22am
Anonymous (not verified)

Hmmm, very good point, I'll retract my statement.

Then just humiliate him good and well... Wait, he doesn't need much help with that, either.

Like they would

June 29, 2008 - 8:10pm

Like terrorists would kill the US President. He's far more useful to them alive.

--
Program Intellivision and play Space Patrol!

Yeah, right...

June 30, 2008 - 9:13am
Jack Ripoff (not verified)

We are not that lucky...

Who's a terrorist today?

June 30, 2008 - 9:33am
Anonymous (not verified)

You mean terrorists like Nelson Mandela or other ANC activists?
(http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-04-30-watchlist_N.htm)

Shouldn't Dalai Lama and Ghandi (though he's by now a dead terrorist so I guess that's good) have to wear a big "T" label as well, using the same standards?

To some extent the way the US decides who's a terrorist seems a lot like the green card lottery; toss a bunch of names in a hat and draw some to see who gets to be a terrorist.

Also check out section 38 of the DS-156 standard form US visitors have to fill out
(https://evisaforms.state.gov/). Talk about Intercontinental Absurdities!

And don't get me started on the US whining about human rights violations in China while still running Gitmo (to quote Anthrax [the band] "America the beautiful, land of the free. Don't change the words to land of hypocrisy")...

- Peder

Jobs just called...

June 30, 2008 - 12:12pm
Anonymous (not verified)

To follow up on my post:

"Mr President. Steve Jobs just called to say he wants his reality distortion field back. He thinks you've had it long enough now"

- Peder

2000 was a million years ago

June 30, 2008 - 12:30pm
Anonymous (not verified)

"... you promised to return it once you'd won the 2000 election, remember?"

OK, I'll stop now...

- Peder

Wisdom

July 5, 2008 - 11:01am
Anonymous (not verified)

Wisest thing I have read all day. I wonder what said developer would do if offered residency?

This is backwards

June 28, 2008 - 2:25pm
Anonymous (not verified)

I can't help but think that it should be the other way around. I.e. that people who don't subscribe to that view make their dissatisfaction known. Because I'm pretty sure that everyone who isn't a jingoist bastard yank feels that way.

I am an OpenBSD developer

June 28, 2008 - 3:07pm
Anonymous (not verified)

I am an OpenBSD developer and I don't subscribe to this point of view.

(re-posting since my original comment was deleted by the moderator for some obscure reason)

misread

June 28, 2008 - 5:52pm

Sorry, I mistakenly flagged your original comment as a duplicate post. I see now I misread your comment, and have unflagged it so it is visible again.

lol@openbsd

June 28, 2008 - 9:12pm
Anonymous (not verified)

Like Canadian soldiers aren't fighting right alongside US soldiers in Afghanistan.

When talkin' religion

June 29, 2008 - 1:42am
chuck (not verified)

You gotta love the Theo-crats.

Whatever shall we do

July 1, 2008 - 5:03pm
Mojo Hand (not verified)

Oh no! You mean no hordes of mini-Stallmans standing around not bathing and not shaving, turning up their noses at anyone unfortunate enough to use Linux, I'm sorry GNU/Linux, and making snide comments about things their own governments also do?

However shall America get by?

pretty piss poorly it would

July 1, 2008 - 11:38pm
Anonymous (not verified)

pretty piss poorly it would seem...

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